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‎What Postfurry is not

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Indi: /* Postfurry Roots */

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 == What Postfurry is not ==
-Negative definitions are not good definitions, but sometimes they are necessary. This is meant to clear up a few misconceptions about Postfurry.
+Negative definitions are not good definitions, but sometimes they are necessary. This is meant to clear up a few misconceptions about Postfurry, to try to take down some of the perceived borders that have been put around the concept or the community.
 * Postfurry is not a rejection of furry. It's not a "we're cooler than the other furries" thing, or a "we're done with the whole furry idea" thing. In general, postfurries behave as furries do; roleplay, art, conventions, fursuiting, and all the rest.

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-That's a very good question! Ask N people who identify as postfurries, and you'll most likely get something like N<sup>2</sup> answers, particularly if they're all in the room together to start discussing it.
+That's a very good question! Ask N people who identify as postfurries, and you'll most likely get something like N<sup>2</sup> answers, particularly if they're all in the room together to start discussing it. It can at least be said that the Postfurry community grew out of the larger {{wp|Furry fandom|Furry community}}, but that group itself defies any sort of generally-accepted concrete definitions. One of the most concise ways of summing up Furry is still a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D9Xq3Xr8aE 25-minute video essay].
-A few things can be said for sure. The Postfurry community grew out of the larger {{wp|Furry fandom|Furry community}}, which itself generally defies any sort of generally-accepted concrete definitions. Still, Postfurry shares quite a few features in common with general furry interests, like the anthropomorphized-animal aesthetics, the heavy use of the internet, and a general liberal/queer leaning.
+Postfurry grew out of furry by some combination of taking furry Very Seriously, and Not Seriously At All. Postfurry thought and activity often focuses on just how far one can take a furry identification. Is a vixen made out of lava-lamp still a furry? What does it mean to ''identify as'' a sentient black hole, or an otter-cetacean from a far-future ocean planet?
-What Postfurry generally adds to the furry aesthetic is more of a focus on the futuristic, the transhuman, and the countercultural. Rather than using imagery of a standard anthropomorphic wolf or tiger, someone involved in Postfurry is more likely to present as a lava-lamp vixen, squid-otter hybrid, or sentient black hole.
+Further thoughts on the whole thing can be found [https://adjectivespecies.com/2015/06/17/on-postfurry/ in this Adjective Species article].
 == What has Postfurry been? ==

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 * What were the DScream, Puzzlebox, and 12Fold?
 * Do you know how clumsy and sentimental your work sounds?
- * Yeah, of course we do. It's folk art.
+** Yeah, of course we do. It's folk art.
 * By calling it "postfurry" are you saying what you're doing should replace furry?
- * Yikes, no.
+** Yikes, no.
 === Postfurry Philosophy ===

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 === Frequently-asked questions, with few answers ===
-; Isn't postfurry basically just sci-fi furry fetish?
+* Isn't postfurry basically just sci-fi furry fetish?
+* Why is there so much freaking latex and plastic?
-; Why is there so much freaking latex and plastic?
+* Do you people know how pretentious you sound?
+* What were the DScream, Puzzlebox, and 12Fold?
-; Do you people know how pretentious you sound?
+* Do you know how clumsy and sentimental your work sounds?
+ * Yeah, of course we do. It's folk art.
-; What were the DScream, Puzzlebox, and 12Fold?
+* By calling it "postfurry" are you saying what you're doing should replace furry?
+ * Yikes, no.
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 What Postfurry generally adds to the furry aesthetic is more of a focus on the futuristic, the transhuman, and the countercultural. Rather than using imagery of a standard anthropomorphic wolf or tiger, someone involved in Postfurry is more likely to present as a lava-lamp vixen, squid-otter hybrid, or sentient black hole.
-== History ==
+== What has Postfurry been? ==
-== Diverse Thoughts to Be Organized ==
+This section is a big wonderful braindump from Kincaid, one of the folks originally responsible for Postfurry (dis)organization. Not all of this is required or expected or even often-seen in Postfurry as it is done nowadays, but a lot of it is, and the whole thing tells a lot about where Postfurry came from.
 === Elements of Postfurry ===
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 * ''[add more!]''
-== Things Postfurries Like ==
+=== Things Postfurries Like ===
 * Aeon Flux
 * Alice in Wonderland
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 * WiFi implants
-== Criteria for Postfurry/Fluoroculture/xenofetish media ==
+=== Criteria for Postfurry/Fluoroculture/xenofetish media ===
 * an exceptionally attractive or lovable alien character
 * a piece of out and out xenoperv bait

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 * extension of animism into an emotional toolset for modern life: plush shamanism, warding behaviors, etc.
 * expanding the “queer” concept into forms of perceived misembodiment or different embodiment beyond gender and sexuality, extending into species, history, name, metaphysics, reality level...
 * ''[add more!]''
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 === Postfurry Roots ===
 * furry lifestylers
-* Callahan's Crosstime Saloon
+* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Callahan's_Crosstime_Saloon Callahan's Crosstime Saloon]
 * transhumanist sci-fi
 * genderqueer movement
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 * BDSM culture
 * beatniks and flower children
-* RAW's theory of "neophilia"
+* Robert Anton Wilson's theory of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neophile "neophilia"]
 * "Religions of Paradox and Play" in Margot Alder's Drawing Down The Moon

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 === Elements of Postfurry ===
-* extending queer identity theory to species and fantasy selves
+* Kink
-* extending roleplaying tropes to real life
+** fetish based on unreal things
-* bringing metafiction to furry roleplaying
+** xenofetishism, fascination with alien beauty
-* fetish based on unreal things
+** "making people nice"
-* xenofetishism, fascination with alien beauty
+** using BDSM and hypnosis to experiment with power dynamics, empathy, and trust
-* fascination with liminal states
+** basing scenes around narratives for sex instead of actual sex; expanding sexuality into the unreal
-* extension of natural neuropsychological tendencies
+** the fetish of finding new things to fetishize
-* keeping of "headfriends" long into adulthood
+** umbrella term for all the kinks that can only take place in an imaginative world
-* using furry metaphors to explore altered states
+* Spirituality
-* using BDSM and hypnosis to experiment with power dynamics, empathy, and trust
+** an exercise in making DIY, non-hierarchical pantheons
-* political culture of radical empaths and daydreamers
+** an attempt at "daughter/son" religion instead of "father/mother" religion: spiritual entities that we create to be assistants in cosmological exploration, front-ends for the Divine, little gods for whose behavior we are solely responsible, not vice-versa
-* an exercise in making DIY, non-hierarchical pantheons
+** playing with the erotic aspects of reality-bending
-* "making people nice"
+* Psychology
-* using postfurry to interrogate the boundaries of "human" behavior and how real/necessary they really are
+** fascination with liminal states
-* a refuge for sensitive, otherworldly, introverted nerds
+** extension of natural neuropsychological tendencies
-* an attempt at "daughter/son" religion instead of "father/mother" religion: spiritual entities that we create to be assistants in cosmological exploration, front-ends for the Divine, little gods for whose behavior we are solely responsible, not vice-versa
+** keeping of "headfriends" long into adulthood
-* basing scenes around narratives for sex instead of actual sex; expanding sexuality into the unreal
+** using furry metaphors to explore altered states
-* the fetish of finding new things to fetishize
+** using postfurry to interrogate the boundaries of "human" behavior and how real/necessary they really are
-* umbrella term for all the kinks that can only take place in an imaginative world
+** sociological and psychological theories of play
-* the notion that furry doesn't need to be realistic; the corollary that reality doesn't need to be realistic (i.e. our social and mental worlds are mostly abstract and arbitrary anyhow)
+* Furry Culture
-* merging furry with the world of theory -- taking things from literature and academic as inspiration for our perverted flights of fantasy
+** extending roleplaying tropes to real life
-* playing with the erotic aspects of reality-bending
+** bringing metafiction to furry roleplaying
-* an attempt to split the difference between the furry "fans" and the furry "lifestylers", taking the neo-pagan elan of the alt.lifestyle.furry folks and cutting its literal-minded tendencies with more critical and metaphorical ones
+** a refuge for sensitive, otherworldly, introverted nerds
-* discuss Daphny's remark about otherkin/trans narrative from the 1/24 Kotaku article.
+** the notion that furry doesn't need to be realistic; the corollary that reality doesn't need to be realistic (i.e. our social and mental worlds are mostly abstract and arbitrary anyhow)
-* going beyond "furry is a way of life" to "furry is a counterculture, with potential social significance, a preparation for a world of virtual identity, self-narrative, and constant immersion in non-material realities"
+** merging furry with the world of theory -- taking things from literature and academic as inspiration for our perverted flights of fantasy
-* self-referentiality and Hofstadter -- meta-reference opens the door to so many interesting things...
+** an attempt to split the difference between the furry "fans" and the furry "lifestylers", taking the neo-pagan elan of the alt.lifestyle.furry folks and cutting its literal-minded tendencies with more critical and metaphorical ones
-* first step is to answer the question of "Why furry?" not with some literal-minded justification (i.e. history, anatomy, pantheism), but with "For whatever reason we want"; the second step is to answer the same question with "Because it's a subculture where the answer is 'for whatever reason we want.'"; the third step is to ponder WHY furry is so good at accommodating "for whatever reason we want," and seeing just how far you can stretch those reasons beyond what was previously considered "furry" -- the same way other "post-" movements have taken genres apart and put them back together with new influences
+** discuss Daphny's remark about otherkin/trans narrative from [http://kotaku.com/5978236/my-weekend-at-a-furry-convention this Kotaku article].
-* mention soulbonders and otherkin as part of the spectrum -- postfurs are somewhere between them and fans!
+** going beyond "furry is a way of life" to "furry is a counterculture, with potential social significance, a preparation for a world of virtual identity, self-narrative, and constant immersion in non-material realities"
-* sociological and psychological theories of play
+** first step is to answer the question of "Why furry?" not with some literal-minded justification (i.e. history, anatomy, pantheism), but with "For whatever reason we want"; the second step is to answer the same question with "Because it's a subculture where the answer is 'for whatever reason we want.'"; the third step is to ponder WHY furry is so good at accommodating "for whatever reason we want," and seeing just how far you can stretch those reasons beyond what was previously considered "furry" -- the same way other "post-" movements have taken genres apart and put them back together with new influences
 === Postfurry Roots ===